We always wanted to go to New Zealand. Or at least I did.
Ever since we were engaged, New Zealand was on the top of our list and for many reasons. For one, everyone was going to Europe or Australia for their honeymoon and we wanted to be different. We’re adventurous folk and Europe didn’t really fancy us…at least not yet and New Zealand is certainly an ultimate destination for Adventurers. Also, I’m a huge Lord of the Rings fan, so that had a lot to do with the decision too. I mean come on, if the landscape and scenery from the movie doesn’t inspire you to go there, then what will?
Anyways, we applied for a visa a year after we got married because
- We didn’t have enough money at the time (spent a lot on the wedding)
- We had to go to a series of weddings just a few weeks after ours so we couldn’t make extended travel plans (check out where we went for our mini-moon, instead)
- There wasn’t enough time to plan the trip
A little background story so you better understand the later parts:
In our custom, when a couple gets married, we get a huge sum of money from family, relatives and friends. Undoubtedly, I had put this money in the bank to sponsor our trip and use it to show evidence of funds to the consulate. Bad move. And you’ll soon see why.
Fast forward to this year, we started applying for New Zealand. Being from Pakistan and India, it was a hectic ordeal collecting all the documents. After submission, there were continuous issues with our application with back and forth emails where the embassy required more supporting documents from us.
A few days later, we got an email saying that we need to come in and collect a letter. A gut feeling told me that our application was denied. I open the letter, heart about to jump out of my mouth, and yes there it said, we regret to inform you, your application has been denied.
Reasons for visa rejection:
- Where did the huge amount of money deposit come from? Where’s the proof? Yea but how are we suppose to show that? Take photocopies of all our money envelope gifts from our relatives? Maybe a letter from our parents would have helped.
- We believe you’re not bona fide tourist travelers and intend of staying in the country. Fair enough but why not call us in for an interview?
- You haven’t traveled enough to countries such as ours and Australia. Perhaps try visiting more countries first. Great idea and that is exactly what we will do.
- They didn’t state in the letter this but I think it is one of the reasons for our rejection – we didn’t show our marriage certification. See we haven’t registered our marriage under Thai law yet (and there’s a reason for that) but to the Indian and Pakistani society, we’re married enough. This might have made them to believe that we were two solo travelers, showing off as married and possibly seeking work in New Zealand. Wow that would be an elaborate plan, though.
I was distraught at first. I never wanted to travel again because it couldn’t be worth all this hassle. Why me, I thought? Why is it so much easier for Westerners to travel, I kept on. Wow, I can’t believe I was like that.
Luckily, Kanika is the voice of reason and suggested that we try applying to a different destination. So we did.
A blessing in disguise
So how was this rejection the best thing that happened to us? Well, not only did it teach us a huge lesson about visa applications, it gave us an opportunity to travel to Africa. It turned out that the trip there was more than we could have hoped for or imagined.
Africa was truly amazing and a continent that most people are quick to write off and I wonder why? I would so much rather go back here than go Europe or United States.
OK, I have no basis of comparison but still I found South Africa and Seychelles to be a perfect mix of culture and adventure, which is exactly what we needed for our honeymoon.
We were even able to knock off THREEÂ countries instead of just the ONE.
Here are some photos to take you back with us on our amazing journey. Beat that New Zealand!
The experience made us realize that plans aren’t set in stone and travel isn’t all about the destination. It’s not about the journey either. It’s about taking the leap and experiencing new things – wherever that might take you. We have to learn to roll with the punches because life will throw some hard ones at us.
Tips for Visa Applications
Here’s our first hand experience on things to keep in mind when applying for visas, especially when you hold passports such as Indian and Pakistani:
- Opt for visa-free countries or countries that are easier on your nationality. Australia, New Zealand, US, etc are quite difficult. South Africa wasn’t as difficult. Seychelles was visa-free. This should be your first choice because embassies will see that you’ve traveled enough without issues.
- Research, research, research. It’s a big time hassle but make sure you know exactly what the requirements are. Check with the website, with the consulate, with friends. Anywhere. Don’t trust just one source.
- If you have little funds in your bank account and are borrowing money, DO NOT deposit a huge sum at one go. Break it up over a few months. When I deposited the money we got from our wedding, they were suspicious and we couldn’t really prove where it came from.
- Get sponsorships, invitation letters or book through an agent who can verify that everything is legit. That’s what we did when we went to South Africa. However, despite all that, we still went through some heat from the lady at the front desk but at least we got the visa in the end.
There you have it. I take this experience with a pinch of salt and made margaritas out of it. I’m slightly more confident (but also increasingly exhausted) in applying for visas. It’s a sad truth and fact of life for us.
Share us your visa application peeves and experiences. Maybe we can give each other some pointers.
I feel you. Being a third world passport holder, acquiring visa is really giving me a hard time. I wish they would amend that to encourage traveling even more!
Obviously most countries want tourists and encourage traveling. What they don’t want are people coming from abroad and settling illegally. Unfortunately, many (mostly from third world countries) do that and have ruined it for the rest of us. There’s a post iamaileen.com that covers visa issues perfectly. Give it a read – very inspirational!
Agree and Thanks for the link
Great post! I recently applied for a Schengen visa for the 5th time – and the process at the Bangkok VFS was the toughest I’ve see. so far. My husband has an active Schengen but I still had to submit all of his financial statements, our marriage certificate, and all kinds of other stuff. I find it kind of strange that they have made the process THIS complicated for people who are clearly tourists – the number of visas on my passport make it pretty clear, and Europe definitely needs people to go and spend money there right now!
Thanks so much Pallavi! Yea I heard it is pretty difficult. My Dad had some kind of seminar in Europe so my mom and brother decided to tag along and they overheard the Thai lady at the visa place say “oh he has a seminar, they all are going?” Seriously, that is what annoys me the most when people who work at these consulates are not even from that region themselves and get to play “God” with your travel plans. lol. We plan on applying our US visa and Schengen visa with my parents next time. It’s usually easier as a family.
I was told NZ also needs tourism and they advertise it a lot, yet, they denied us a visa. It’s going to get harder now with all these attacks.
Good luck on your visa!
Visa hassles are the first thing that discourages many travelers from developing countries. It’s awesome that your NZ visa rejection lead into an awesome Africa trip. Great tips on what to keep in mind while applying for Visas. One additional tip from my side – try get a visa from a developed country (USA, Canada, UK, etc.) first. Having a visa from a developed country in your passport will increase your chances of visa approval from other countries.
Thank you Thirumal. You’re right about your tip but it’s like a chicken and egg situation…those countries you mentioned are some of the hardest to get visas for in the first place.
This experience is so close to my heart right now! I hold a Philippines passport and always get nervous whenever I’m applying for a visa, no matter how many countries I’ve been to, but I’ve never been rejected —- except a few months ago, my application for a Schengen visa through Italy was denied! It was so annoying too because they called me in for an interview and even demanded so many additional requirements, which I was all able to supply — but when my passport came, I was rejected! Mainly for the same reasons: that they do not think I’m a tourist and that I will be working there.
But, like you, I turned this experience around. I rekindled my love for Asia and went to South Korea and Japan instead — both countries graciously gave me visas — and I ended up having so much fun! Visa rejections shouldn’t get us down — the world is huge and there’s plenty to see; let’s go where we are wanted! — but it definitely taught me to NOT buy my flight tickets before I secure a visa. 😉
I’m so sorry you didn’t get the visa to Europe. It’s very disheartening indeed but you are absolutely right. The world is a huge place and there are so many destinations to go where they don’t hassle us as much and are as, if not more beautiful than Europe, US, NZ, etc. Thank you for sharing your story with us Liz. All the best and luck with your travels. If you’re ever coming through Bangkok, give us a shout. We’d love to meet.
As a New Zealander I feel really sad you’ve had this experience. I hope it hasn’t put you off travelling to NZ… While I know I have a bias opinion, it truly is a great country to travel.
Even travelling on a New Zealand passport I have had troubles. I nearly wasn’t allowed into Thailand even though I already had a tourist visa. If it wasn’t for the bus driver I would have been sent back to Malaysia. I know a lot of the time I have it a lot easier but I do still have troubles travelling, just a different kind.
Oh wow really? You were entering Thailand by land? Wouldn’t know how that is or what it takes because well, we can’t really travel by land or get visa on arrivals as much. We really have the worst passports but that is not going to deter us from traveling. It did at first but NZ is definitely on the list still but in the back burner as we are going to try the easy-visa places first.
Where are you now and traveling next?
Usa uk schengen australia nz always suspicious towards Indian passport
Even if you have 20000 dollars in bank account they may reject your visa
Did they stamp rejected in your passport?
No, thankfully not. 🙂 Just a letter.
I have UK , Europe and USA travel history even i have valid USA visit visa also, I want to visit NZ for a honey moon with my husband. However, my husband have no previous travel history. could someone please tell me what we our chances to get visa we both are applying form Pakistan
Hi Rachel. Thanks for getting in touch with us. I do believe past visits and a good travel history goes a long way in securing a visa. Your husband with no previous travel history COULD be a problem but given that if you provide a very comprehensive application with ALL the documents which include but not limited to:
– letter from employer or business
– itinerary of your visit plus bookings
– bank statements
– basically everything that shows he will return home and not settle there
Give more than asked always. Then the chances are high. Hope that helps!
Lmao i have the worst case ever i have been on temporary for seven years then moved back to saudi on indian passport but still new Zealand immi asked for travel history, and the shit part is they put same clase for my 11 month baby, me and my wife have shit load of stamps in and out of Australia we never felt to visit new Zealand.
This time 4 times in a row they just rejecting i thought might be confusion with immi officier, showed Aud $ 50,000. Savings.
CURRENTLY ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THEM IS THEY ARE JUST RIPPERS.
I am a fairly well-traveled Ugandan. My girlfriend is a New Zealander. To give just a little background, Katie and I met in Hiroshima, Japan in 2012 while we were both visiting the Prefectural Art Museum, She came over to Uganda last Christmas and met my family and we had a wonderful time together. This Christmas, we decided its my turn to travel to New Zealand and spend Christmas holiday with her and get to meet her family. I’ve in the recent past been doing quite a bit of research on NZ Visa issues. I’m quite confident i have in my possession all the requirements (including additional documents) for a tourist Visa. Having read the sad tales of people who have previously applied for NZ visas and were denied, I couldn’t help getting a little worried about my own fate considering I intend to apply online come next week. I’ve bought already my flight tickets. I’m praying hard that my application is not rejected for some weird reason.
Hi OJ, Thanks for sharing your story, thoughts and concerns. To be perfectly honest, we didn’t plan it that well. We didn’t book anything because in the past, declined visas meant wasting money on bookings. But now it is possible to do so without paying so as long as you have all your documents, you should not worry too much. However, we can’t say 100% that you will get it because they can for no reason deny anyone. Has happened. Shayan’s brother recently got denied from HK visa.
Just show enough documents and more than required. Show proof of return and $$ and you’re good I believe. Goodluck!
Sarah SmithApril 18, 20e1c1ssiJa, Please add me to your e-mail list, my husband and I would love to help, we are on the east side of town. Let me know what we can do!
I wander how you got on, but from my experience I’d say be careful. I’m a New Zealander who’s been in a relationship with my girlfriend who’s from Kenya for 2 years where we both met and currently live in Hong Kong. I wanted to introduce her to my friends and family and show her where I grew up (like she already has to her country). We provided travel history to places like Dubai, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Philippines and also letter of approval for leave from employer, an employment contract, tenancy agreement with 1 year left, bought return plane tickets, a letter of invitation from myself and parents with a copy of our passports explaining our purpose for the visit and about our relationship and she still got denied a tourist visa for the 1 week trip on the grounds we didn’t prove that she would return to Hong Kong.
I am going to follow a gradute diploma in IT ( level 7) course in NMITin Auckland.so i want to know am i eligible to bring my dependents with me.Does my wife eligeble for a work visa.Because my subjects fields (Network administration)are in long term skill shortage list.
Hi Roshan, so sorry but we are no experts in the visa field.
Hello 🙂 can i ask? What if the visa is denied for Nz? They will send you a letter or email ? And what situated on the letter or email? Thank you
They sent us an email saying to come pick up the passport. Didn’t say anything about rejection or not because the communication is done with the agency that manages the application. The letter is sealed so we only can know the answer once you open it. In it, it explains in detail why it was denied. Hope that helps May.
I’m bela staying in Bangkok . I’m from india .on 11 th november 2016 I apply for my newzealand visa on 22 nd they called me to collect my passport and they give us a letter saying that my visa is denied . When I read the letter it’s written that it look like I’m going to newzealand for settle there . I don’t have enough money to travel and I have not visited any countries similar to newzealand.
Hello frens do u think when we have given my tickets and all the hotel bookings attach with my application there questions are valid .
Even when I went to there wireless office the guard not let me enter go inside saying that I cannot go inside bcos I’m from Pakistan.
I did all my booking which are non refundable so I will 300000 baht but the officer is sending me email that I have to apply again for visa and can only get visa after New Years . How can this people like this my booking is from 23 rd december till 5 th january . Even after seeing all the booking this officer is trying harass us bcos we are indian.
Can pls any one help me what to do .bcis they have given us not correct reason.
I suggest you make non-billable bookings or bookings you can cancel. Basically they need to see evidence you will return. Bookings is not enough. They need bank statements, full itineraries, letter of employer/university, etc. Over deliver on documents is my recommendation…but even then, they will give a BS reason for denying.
I HAVE APPLIED FOR NEWZEALAND VISA, AND THEY DENIED MY APPLICATION. IN THE LETTER THEY STATED THREE REASONS.
1) SOURCES OF FUNDS CANNOT BE CONSECRATED WITH THE SOURCES OF INCOME SHOWN. (I SHOW 600000 INR {12000 $} EMABASSY IS ASKING FOR ONLY 1000$, I DID TRANSFER FROM MY BUSINESS CURRENT A/C. THWY DIDNT ASK ME ANY QUESTION, SO HOW CAN I EXPLAIN THEM?)
2) YOUR BUSINESS IS NOT STABLE. (I HAVE A TRADING BUSINESS AND INSURANCE CONSULTANCY BUSINESS HAVING AN INCOME OF MORE THAN 500000 INR AS PER MY INCOME TAX RETURN)
3) YOU ARE NOT A BONAFIDE VISITOR (I TRAVELLED UAE, USA, CANADA, EUROPE)
I DONT KNOW? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?
Yea I think they are stricter than they seem. Half their grounds of rejection don’t make sense. It’s sad.
Hi,
Thank you for your story. While this is not visa-related I just wanted to say- Africa is definitely beautiful and that’s a great choice for your honeymoon. We went to east Africa for our honeymoon and it was absolutely breath-taking. I would do it again in a heartbeat only if we have sufficient funds! And I am so sorry about your visa trouble, I don’t think it’s fair. Also might I add when it comes to getting residency or even citizenship (after work visa), it’s easier for people from certain origin of countries to acquire than others. I am not gonna say it’s not.
All the best for your future travels though! I hope you get to see more beautiful countries that welcome your visits!! 🙂
All i can say that.these rich punk countries ,they are stupid white trash.they came to these countries as a tourist too and later they have control these countries with their power and by killing them.and they are treating bad to the natives of the countries.they call them abrigionals ,not humans.natives of these countries are living pathatic lives .natives of australia and newzealand they are begging on the streets.they call them homeless.
the problem is not with the country but with the case officer. Depending on who they think is a genuine tourist is what finalizes the visa decision but unfortunately this can also result in many bias and unfair decisions.
That is true Zebi. The case officer’s mood and attitude can make a huge difference. But there is a fair amount of bias in their decisions I reckon.
So, when you apply for other visas now and you come across the question: ‘Have you ever been denied a visa to any country’, how do you answer?
That question hardly ever comes up. They do ask, have you been denied visa to the country we are applying for but never to another country. In that case, we are honest. We have to say that we were denied because we did not have ample proof to ascertain that we are visiting for tourism. Always be honest.
Wow ,so many bad experiences with NZS immigration.I am a born and bred New Zealanders and last year my son met over here a lovely young lady from Canada who was here on a 12 month working visa all part of her world travels.She ended up staying in our home for four months whilst working and thier relationship developed. In June she resumed her travels and then returned to Canada.He was unable to join her at that time due to work and financial commitments.They kept in touch almost daily and he managed a trip to Canada for two weeks to see her and meet her family.Upon her return to NZ six months later she asked immigration which visa she could apply for to stay and work again this year while they saved to travel together.She was told to apply for Work Visa as partner of NZS Resident.So she gathered all the proof she could of relationship had medical and applied.During this time original visa expired but put onto interim one.After a month they emailed and said not enough proof of relationship.So she got more proof and sent it.Twenty four hours later she was declined and told she needed to leave country in two days.I am absolutely disgusted that this can happen to anyone who has done nothing wrong and followed immigration application instructions.Two days is absolutely brutal and has resulted in huge stress for this young lady.No right of appeal either.Makes me ashamed of our immigration system.It needs a major overhaul !
Omg that is terrible. I had a similar experience with Singapore where I applied for a student visa and got rejected. Can you imagine that??? An education visa???
acceptabe sponsorship for nz is require funds to show
is this the reason for reject
If you are ever able to get a US visa, it opens around 23 countries for visa free access, such as Mexico. Even if you do succeed, research because some countries may be visa free only for specific nationalities holding a US visa. Mexico however doesnt care about your nationality.